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Unraveling the Thanksgiving Day Bombing: The Blount Family Tragedy
Recorded live at Henry's Majestic, November 7th. Could a deadly mistake lead to an unsolved mystery that plagued a community for over a decade? On Thanksgiving Day 1985, a tragic bombing shattered the hopes of the Blount family, who had recently moved to Lake Worth, Texas. While they anticipated a warm holiday gathering, a mysterious black briefcase turned their lives upside down. Only the mother and son survived the catastrophic explosion, leaving investigators to grapple with questions of intent and identity. Was it a botched attempt on a different target, or did Joe Blount's past hold the key to understanding this senseless act?
Join us as we unravel the complex investigation that followed this heartbreaking event. Forensic experts initially considered alternative explanations, from propane accidents to drug-related mishaps, before confirming the briefcase held a deadly bomb. The lack of clear motives and evidence created significant hurdles for investigators, who were faced with a tangled web of possible suspects and theories. We scrutinize the controversial conviction and later exoneration of Michael Toney, whose life was forever changed by a justice system that faltered under the weight of scant and unreliable evidence.
Our episode also confronts the unsettling reality that the Blount family might have been innocent bystanders in a criminal plot gone awry. We explore theories involving a local jeweler and meth dealer, whose illicit dealings may have inadvertently drawn danger to an unsuspecting family's doorstep. This haunting case serves as a sobering reminder of life's uncertainties and the unexpected threats that can disrupt ordinary lives. With insights from surviving family members and seasoned investigators, we invite you to ponder the lingering questions that continue to overshadow this chilling unsolved mystery.
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All right, so since it's November, we're going to first start out with an unsolved Thanksgiving day case, so we're going to go back to November 28th 1985. Chris, I love, okay, if you are into researching true crime or really just into the historical things of maybe not true crime, maybe more mafia stuff, maybe things in Dallas or Texas in general that you like to know about. Newspaperscom has everything and I like to go back and look at what was happening at the time. What were reporters saying, what were police saying about these cases, because it kind of gives you some light into the feelings that people were having about these things.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:So this one in particular happened in Lake Worth, which is right outside of Fort Worth, and in 1985, november 28th, there was a bombing so horrific at a trailer park, one trailer park home, that it was the deadliest bombing in the United States.
Speaker 2:Yes, at the time.
Speaker 1:At the time, in 1985, which is kind of crazy to think about, because actually, what reignited this case? Now, remember, all these cases we're talking about tonight are unsolved and it was not a meth lab in the trailer park that's right. No, it was not drug. Well, it could have been drug related. We'll get into that.
Speaker 2:But they themselves yeah, this, this case in particular too, I think, is just the fact of the bombing um and the nature of it is pretty heinous and very heinous so you have a dad, joe blount.
Speaker 1:By the way, this family had just moved here from seattle. They had not even been in this area, chris, I think more than just like a couple of months not very long at all.
Speaker 2:The whole family came down looking for work.
Speaker 1:The whole family came from seattle. They didn't like what was happening in seattle. They came to texas set up trailer liberal huh I'm just playing.
Speaker 2:What'd you say?
Speaker 1:I said too liberal too liberal, too rainy too.
Speaker 2:It rains a lot there yeah, it has to have their sad lights when they're there so this family just moved here.
Speaker 1:So you have to think this happens to this family. Do they even? Are they even here a long enough to acc any enemies? And if you have enemies they're going to be more mafia style, right? If you're going to have some stuff come from Seattle following you to Texas, then there's going to be a trail of that.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know about the mafia per se.
Speaker 1:But extended over state lines, right? So if you have a beef with someone in Seattle because they're not from here and we're going to talk about this, but people really didn't know who they were, police had never heard of them. They were new in the trailer park.
Speaker 2:I mean he had a bit of a checkered past.
Speaker 1:That they looked into.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean, they just were coming here and looking for work. They settled in Lake Worth and a trailer park and from our understanding really didn't have many belongings. They kind of were settled, barely settled in, you know, using boxes for tables and whatnot.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, they said, they hadn't even really furnished the place.
Speaker 1:So it's Thanksgiving, so this family decides they're going to have a Thanksgiving dinner. Now the father, joe Blount, who we're going to talk about, he had a daughter, angela, and then there was a cousin that was in town and he has a brother that lives here. So his brother I think his name was Ray he's coming over for Thanksgiving dinner. So they think, okay, this is the first time we can get everyone together, we're all in a place, your brother can come, and the cousin of the children, so their nephew, is going to come from college. He's 18 years old, you know, and I think about the mother, so the mother of the 18-year-old who lives in Seattle. Remember, the father lives here, so he's at school in Oklahoma and he's, like you know what, I'm gonna go and visit my relatives in Texas, His mom in Seattle says you know what?
Speaker 1:North Texas, I think.
Speaker 2:Well, we are in North Texas. No, north Texas UNT.
Speaker 1:No, I think he was in Oklahoma State. I don't know, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:He was in college in one of these states.
Speaker 1:So his mom says you know, I don't think this is such a good idea. And he's like why I get to see my dad, I get to see my extended family, why isn't this a good idea? And I think of, like motherly instinct, right, where you feel that and you're like you know what that's not a good idea. You're not going there tonight. I think of Natalie Holloway's mother, right, everybody know about Natalie, okay, so I met Beth Holloway.
Speaker 2:They were somewhat estranged as well too.
Speaker 1:They were estranged and so this was like a connecting thing for them and the mom's. Like you know, I'm going to visit with the family, so he did. Unfortunately, he loses his life in this bombing. So they have Thanksgiving dinner about five o'clock Dinner's over. Ray Blount goes home.
Speaker 1:So that's the brother the brother of the man who dies who owns the trailer Right. His son is the one who's killed in the bomb attack, but he leaves and goes home, so we know he's home Police investigate him after this and they do find that he has an alibi, corroborated that someone saw him at the house, so he's cleared. So the dad, joe, the daughter Angela and the cousin, they all go for beer and ice cream. Is what my research said.
Speaker 2:They left to go to a convenience store.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want to get out of the house. You've been in with family, you go get some snacks at the convenience store and you come back. So the mother stayed behind in the trailer. She hears a knock at the door. She looks outside, chris, and she sees nothing. It's dark at that point. She says so, she doesn't see anything, she doesn't open the door.
Speaker 1:And you know, I think about this because, by the way, she survives this and I think to myself gosh, you know, what would she have done if she would have opened the door and saw what they saw coming back up to the door from the convenience store. So I'll talk about that in a minute, because you always think like woulda, coulda, shoulda. Right, she didn't open the door. She hears the knock, she sees nothing. But what we will find out is there's something at the door. There's actually a black briefcase sitting at the front door of this trailer. Now they three come home from the convenience store and they see the shiny black briefcase sitting on their trailer park step. So I'm thinking of a family who just moves here, who doesn't have a lot of means and resources. He had just found a job, chris. I think at like a transmission workmission work.
Speaker 1:Transmission work, and so they were getting on their feet. They didn't even have furnishings. I think they had like a little couch, because we will find out, the daughter is the one who laid the briefcase on the couch but they. So you see this on your doorstep and you think what if somebody is gifting this? What if somebody left this for us?
Speaker 2:this is 1980, but this is 1985.
Speaker 1:Somebody leaving a black briefcase with money, money or gifts, but you know, but I'm I guess I'm just thinking like as a new family in a new area. I don't know, but the young girl who I believe was 15 at the time of this, she's the one who's like we have to open this right.
Speaker 2:We have to open, I mean and we talked about this driving in like, in this day and age, do would you open a black briefcase?
Speaker 1:yeah, we did talk about this coming into henry's today. I don't know. I mean, no, you don't open the briefcase. In 2024, in 1985, maybe open the briefcase anthrax isn't a thing yet right?
Speaker 2:curiosity may not always kill the cat.
Speaker 1:The poison is not really a thing in 1985. I think that actually didn't happen to like ninth, early nineties.
Speaker 2:I think you mentioned anthrax, I mean I did because it's a thing All right.
Speaker 1:So they see a black briefcase, they decide they're going to pick it up and bring it in the house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the daughter sees it and was like, um wow, what's this? Maybe?
Speaker 1:there's treasure.
Speaker 2:I think the father too just kind of played along like, yeah sure, some it's treasure, you know, let's see what's in it.
Speaker 1:Because the wife will say my husband probably would have never just opened that if he would have found it himself. So she says this 10 years later in a Dallas morning news interview and I think about that. And you're right, the kids were enjoying it, it was something. Whatever, let's open it. The daughter, angela, sits on the couch and has the briefcase on her lap. The son, the cousin, is basically sitting next to her on the couch. Now her brother is also there and he, he's standing Like by the front door of the trailer and the father is just more by the kitchen, so they're basically all just kind of sitting in a circle. The mother at this time had already gone to bed, so she was actually in the back room of the trailer.
Speaker 2:Which is why she ends up surviving this.
Speaker 1:She opens the briefcase and immediately it explodes and you have the son who was thrown out of the trailer through the front door. Guys, the heat. By the way, he lived, he's had about 20 reconstructive surgeries from the burns, the fire and the heat from this. And we'll talk about this bomb because we talked about this on the way up here and what it would take to actually manufacture that and leave it, and all of that. But you have have. It was so hot.
Speaker 2:His flip-flops melted to his skin on his feet which means this is probably a very large, large bomb that's right.
Speaker 1:I mean enough to throw him out and melt the shoes he has on to his skin and I may think about that and he's not even in the trailer anymore. He was thrown out of that. I mean, that's the briefcase bomb, I mean yeah who does that?
Speaker 2:that's something you see in the movies, you know I mean and just the. I mean from what I've read boston bombing the well I mean the, the.
Speaker 1:That was different. Well, that was a backpack. That was a backpack that was detonated.
Speaker 2:This is a device that's triggered when you open it. The level of skill that it probably takes, because I mean that's why when the there's a bomb or suspected, you know you've got the people come in with suits and they've got the robot and all this stuff. You know just even handling that thing ever laid it on the porch. I mean that's a brave person as well too, because bombs are so of that nature, are so finicky yeah you know, and I mean to have a latch device that ignite.
Speaker 2:You know it's. That, to me, is what's so bizarre yeah I mean, that's like a um, that's mafia that right.
Speaker 1:so let's. I mean because we can't discount any of this because this is unsolved, so they don't actually know who did this. Um, but but well, there was an actual arrest and a conviction and a death penalty conviction. I mean because we can't discount any of this because this is unsolved, so they don't actually know who did this, but there was an actual arrest and a conviction and a death penalty conviction at that. So this thing explodes. The mother immediately hears this and comes out of the room and everything's on fire. So she doesn't even, I mean to this day well, I don't know if to this day, but 10 years ago, so 1995, when she was interviewed and she was, by the way, living in DFW Metroplex, she said that she doesn't even know how she survived this. She doesn't even really remember even having access to the back doors. She remembers seeing the flames and knowing her instinct was to just get out.
Speaker 2:She didn't see anyone else. She didn't even know it was a bomb initially. That's right. She didn't see anyone else. Well, she didn't even know it was a bomb initially. That's right, she didn't.
Speaker 1:I think they lived next to an Air Force base.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess they said B-52s used to fly overhead and land, and so they would hear, I guess, the jets, perhaps sonic beams from fighter jets that were landing back and forth too. So I think even she was wondering what it was initially.
Speaker 1:Well, she sees flames. I think the trailer was like 12 feet by 52 feet, it wasn't. I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's a single wide, okay so.
Speaker 1:I think, I mean I it seems pretty small when I think of the dimensions of my head, but so so she immediately sees this, gets out the back door by the time she's out the back door, people in the trailer park. Okay, by the way, I did find out this trailer park is still there. They weren't sure about 1985, the amount of trailers there, but now I heard this is like so inundated with trailers it would be easily mistaken, Like if you were to go up to one you might be thinking you're going to another. That's what what's interesting about that is. This is kind of what police think happened in this case.
Speaker 2:Well, and police did not even. I mean they didn't really know it was a bomb at first.
Speaker 1:That's right, because.
Speaker 2:I think they even considered a lot of trailers use propane and could something have ignited from that initially. You know, of course, as they look further, and they're not thinking bomb.
Speaker 1:Right? It's Thanksgiving. This is a family at home. Maybe they were cooking a turkey. Whoever thinks a bomb, though, in any of these cases I mean Turkey fryers in 1985? It's Lake Worth at a trailer park.
Speaker 2:That's why I did say meth lab. You know I mean something like that.
Speaker 1:That's right Somebody's doing something you know and I think probably investigating, is that I don't think they're walking and thinking, oh there's a bomb. So the mother gets out. She sees all the neighbors, everyone's already looking fire, they've already been called. So people come out and they realize well what she does. What she tells her neighbors is my family's inside. Can you, can you try to get them? You know she's pleading for help and, um, her son is laying there very injured and she just knows the rest of her family's inside.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think even just the fire and the flames. People were not even able to go jump inside and help. No, they weren't. No.
Speaker 1:So the three are lost the daughter, the cousin and the father are lost in this blast. So police start investigating this as a targeted attack. They eventually they find the briefcase, they find the bomb, they find the remnants of it in the explosion. They realize that the girl had it on her lap sitting on the couch. There was someone sitting next to her and I mean they kind of just pieced it all together the mother telling them there was a knock at the door while they were out at the convenience store. She didn't answer it, she didn't see anything. She didn't look down and see anything at the door. She said it was dark outside they don't have anything to go on.
Speaker 1:I mean, this is like what I think if you think about this 1985. What Like I think if you think about this 1985, remember what I said this is then declared the most like deadly bombing in the United States at this time. And so this was a big deal. Like this was a big deal. This had just happened in Texas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I mean really, like I said, it's a bomb. It's a bomb, this is not something just blowing up from somebody fooling around.
Speaker 1:They bring the ATF in pretty quick. They start bringing other people in. This is Lake Worth Police. Fort Worth Police come on and help. So they have a lot of law enforcement involved in this.
Speaker 2:Well, there's really two. What's the motive? Why would somebody target this family? They're new to town.
Speaker 1:They're new to town.
Speaker 2:They're new to town um said he did have a checkered pass. But who's gonna travel all the way from seattle to try to kill this guy?
Speaker 1:and I mean like there was like a burglary on his record, I think, and maybe, um, it wasn't significant enough to think that there was any sort of animosity or anyone trying to get them. So it's kind of wild to think okay, so there is eventually an arrest in this case.
Speaker 2:What they end up finding out hold on just to back up yeah, yeah, go ahead, no go ahead. Wait a hold on, no go ahead uh, the wife too, yes, but the insurance policy, I think on this gentleman was like what?
Speaker 1:one or three grand, two grand barely enough to even bury him.
Speaker 2:So I think she was quickly dismissed. But I think that was you're right I mean they always look at the family. But I think too, like once again, it's a, it's a, it's a bomb. Where would she even have the means or hire somebody to do this?
Speaker 1:you know yeah, and I think they quickly you know once they like she was at the house and she runs out and you always look at the person that was in the house last, which was her.
Speaker 2:Well, and if you're going to bomb your family, you don't go lay in the bedroom, because bombs can be, that's right.
Speaker 1:Why would she stay in the trailer?
Speaker 2:Bombs are not always this precision, you know laser guided thing, much less a briefcase bomb. So that's another reason too. I think it was quickly dismissed, because why would she go lay in the bedroom and send a bomb in the front right?
Speaker 1:Makes no sense. You may You'll leave it and leave the trailer. You may be a victim of that.
Speaker 2:Bomb yourself right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're not going to know if you go lay in Right, so it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:I mean, there was the anarchist cookbook back then.
Speaker 1:but when did you find that? We discussed this quite a bit at work, so it's a great book Every.
Speaker 2:every high school kid in the early nineties had it.
Speaker 1:All right. So eventually, 11 years later, okay Gosh, there is no leads in this case. Here's the problem with this case. This family is new to town. They can't find any, chris, any information. Hold on real quick. Let me just finish my sentence. Any information in their background to saying that they would have any enemies that would go to. I mean, I want you to think about this. It was the biggest bombing in the US, so they're thinking in their minds. They've got to be thinking big picture here. For me, police are probably thinking mafia hit something in this guy's background. They probably extended it way to Seattle, probably talked to all of his friends back in Seattle. This is 11 years before they even really get a name.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think too, they start thinking as well. Yes, sir, yeah, start thinking as well is yes, sir, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it was the most. It was the deadliest and the most they. There was a word they used for it. It was like the way that it penetrated in 1985 in 1985.
Speaker 1:So at the time they said it was and this was actually in the paper that I read that that at the time because this was 10 years later, they wrote that article in 1985 it was considered the most, the deadliest and the most lethal, I think the way it was made bombing in the usa at that time in 1985. We just didn't hear about those things.
Speaker 2:I feel well so I think they also pretty quickly start to think was this the right house? This was a trailer park that they did have drug dealers living in. And so there was another gentleman too, who was a methamphetamine dealer, also a jeweler that they did consider like, was somebody trying to target him? I think another gentleman too, who was also a drug dealer that lived somewhere around there. So was this just kind of a case of mistaken? You know, identity, not identity.
Speaker 1:But they didn't see a person mistaken trailer.
Speaker 2:Mistaken, mistaken trailer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know so there is one guy, chris, that we'll talk about. There were. We're not going to get into all the suspects in this case, because there's really not a lot of information about the rest of them there's one particular, I was gonna say too.
Speaker 2:They all pretty quickly got dismissed because once again you start looking at how this bomb was made. You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's why I think they were looking so far away from that. Like who would? I even probably think at that time maybe police thought, well, are people going to go to this links just to kill a drug dealer in the trailer park? Like aren't there easier, different ways to do that than actually building a bomb? Like that is, you would think they want to take out a lot of people. In my mind.
Speaker 2:Or send a message or send a message.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, great point on that. All right, so they start, you're welcome. So they start looking into people. Again, we're not going to talk about all the suspects because nobody was really arrested except one guy. Now the reason his name comes up is a couple reasons. One, we know he was living in the area at the time with his wife. The other piece of it is he was actually serving time in prison and confided in an inmate that he was actually responsible for this bomb. He actually says he was hired for $5,000 to kill a drug dealer and he got the wrong trailer. So those are the words that were used by the inmate. Now we all know.
Speaker 1:Per another inmate Per another inmate, but we all know that when it comes to that, and it comes to I mean, so this is well one, they want this solved right, this is a big case at the time. Two, you have an inmate not confession, but an inmate. Well, confession from the person who supposedly did it, and as police, you're like okay, do they want freedom? What do they want? Is this made up?
Speaker 2:Well, and I think too, and so they're considering that, when it comes from this, guy I read this, the suspect as as well was a self-described jailhouse lawyer. He would, you know, helping people get out. So like I think this guy was. Basically he was giving him, I think, because he was serving some pretty serious time and maybe didn't see any um, you know nothing on the horizon of getting getting out. So I basically letting this guy use his supposed confession to lessen his sentence that's right.
Speaker 1:So it sounds weird, but it does sound weird. And then the wife is questioned and she says, oh, we were nowhere in the area during thanksgiving. And then she recants that and says, once police tell her like do you know how serious this is? Your husband's name has come up.
Speaker 2:She got mad at him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we need to know if you know anything, because you're going to be held responsible if you don't tell us something. So here's what she tells police. She actually tells police. They were there that night. They were together in a car. He exits the vehicle with a briefcase. Now in my research I read that she would not have actually been able to have that information at that point to know it was an actual briefcase. So I can't determine whether she gave that information more up front, because this is 11 years later right, she might have gotten mad at him.
Speaker 1:And at that time you think they would know it's a briefcase.
Speaker 2:So I'm thinking maybe they read that in the paper which by the way, especially given the time frame that she came forward with this information.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of information about it and the inmate ends up going oh, I made it all up, we read it about it. We knew there was you know this was trying to be solved, and we figured we'd just work together to get at least one of us out of here. So then he recants his whole entire statement and so now they're left. But guys, they don't care, okay. So this goes back to what Chris and I talk a lot about here, and what we talk a lot about on our show is the fact that sometimes unfortunately, by the way lawyers, doctors, psychiatrists, mechanics they're not all good people. Police officers are one of those people. They're not all good people and they all shouldn't be serving in a public servant role. But here's also what I'm going to say you always Like they want to make the case.
Speaker 1:They want to make the case, they want to solve the case. Well, and I think they want to solve the renewed interest was the oklahoma city bombing that's right and I think that's which was 1995, 1996, 1996.
Speaker 2:Okay, I think that's kind of also too was to reopen, not reopen it.
Speaker 1:Well, this is kind of well, I mean so many years had passed. And then, when the oklahoma city bombing happening, they thought, well, this, this is kind of well, I mean, it's so many years had passed. And then, when the Oklahoma city bombing happening, they thought, well, this is the kind of bomb that was in our case, so maybe we need to like reignite this and look in this. And this is when they start finding out all of this it's still a different kind of bomb.
Speaker 2:Cause, that's a detonated from strikes me because who is going to jump in a car with somebody and ride with a bomb in the trunk? That's quite volatile, that's what even their, their her story about being with him the night of doesn't really make much sense unless he didn't tell her so then you just put another thought I got a bomb in the trunk. You know, are you gonna ride with me?
Speaker 1:what if they didn't drive? Though put that in the miata. You just kind of put a thought in my head. What if they didn't drive? What if they actually lived in the trailer park? What if there was some You're less likely to mistake in the trailer?
Speaker 2:If you live there.
Speaker 1:Yes, because if you're not riding with a bomb in the car, if it can be easily detonated.
Speaker 2:If you live there, wouldn't you know which trailer to bomb?
Speaker 1:But that's what I'm saying. So maybe this was targeted, but it wasn't targeted enough and there wasn't a trail enough to actually tell it was targeted by someone who already had some sort of animosity or beef with the family living there. That is something to consider, Because maybe they weren't in a car and by the way, her testimony and his testimony he says they didn't actually buy that truck until December 13th, so there was no way she was in that vehicle with him on Thanksgiving. And they end up finding out that that's actually true. You guys, he goes to trial. They don't care about the fact that they've recanted these statements.
Speaker 2:They take him to trial convict him and give him the death penalty in this case, and I don't think we've said this gentleman's name. His name is Michael Tony.
Speaker 1:Michael Tony is his name. We've been calling him the suspect. Oh sorry.
Speaker 2:Michael Tony. Yes, Very secretive.
Speaker 1:But you know what I mean. They give him the death penalty, in this case on recanted evidence. That's what my point about solving something just to solve it.
Speaker 2:I think they said that some of the wiring that was used the copper wire, that there was evidence that this was found somewhere. You know I mean because this guy too, he really had no history of bomb making skills, no, he just had a history of like burglary and other random stuff. That sounds like somebody who may have had a little military time and knew a thing, or two about a thing or. Two.
Speaker 1:So due process and the right to have all evidence at your trial is a thing. So if you are convicted of something and you find that there was significant evidence left out of your trial, you can then appeal this, and this is exactly what this guy does Left out of your trial. You can then appeal this, and this is exactly what this guy does. And they find out that the court and the case and the attorneys really screwed up and they completely dropped all charges against this guy, let him out and they are never going to ever retry him again. So if any of this is true, if he is involved, right, he'll never be convicted for this. And at this point you know I always say, well, he'll never be convicted for this.
Speaker 2:and at this point you know I always say he won't be never again, because he died pretty shortly after in a car crash yeah, he did so that's, either karma I know, I thought about that too.
Speaker 1:We see that sometimes in cases, I mean even at the time he was in jail for burglary you know's right I mean he wasn't some contract hit man or anything like that, yeah.
Speaker 1:So what police believe? So what police believe even as of like five years ago is the fact that they think whoever planted this bomb got the wrong trailer. And the reason they believe that is because of the lack of evidence that they have pointing to anyone who had enough animosity or any kind of was upset with this family in any way. They just could find nothing of it. And because they could find nothing of it made them think that, and because of the nefarious activity that happened around this trailer, they basically believed that they got the wrong guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I lean more towards perhaps that gentleman. Was it Joe Tortella who was the jeweler and meth dealer? Because, he probably was dealing with some pretty sketchy cats, Because I think even he was thinking maybe this was meant for me well, and I think they even said something like he so much about he was never tried for any drug dealing, but I think police it was kind of common knowledge that he was involved in that, but you know.
Speaker 2:So I think at the time he was dealing drugs, cheating uh, with somebody's wife and stuff like that. So could a scorned husband or somebody that he owed money to or something like that, yeah Well, they've never had any suspects in this case.
Speaker 1:Chris, at this point I would say that it would just be someone coming forward and talking about this. But to me this is so isolated and has absolutely nothing to do with this family, which means they will never find the evidence. I mean, you don't know where to look, you don't know who to start with. I mean you just don't know. And so they really focus their efforts on looking into their background and trying to find something. And because of the lack of what they found, that's why they believe this family was just like an innocent bystanders from the spawn, which is so crazy. Like you think, you go home one day and I mean imagine just being killed and you weren't even the target.
Speaker 2:I mean that's so the lesson is don't open black briefcases.
Speaker 1:We'll definitely don't do that.
Speaker 2:But I must say, unless someone tells you it's on its way, that's a good bit just to go put a empty black briefcase on somebody's porch and you know leaning forward.
Speaker 1:All right, y'all no-transcript.