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The Tennessee Affair: Unraveling a Deadly Web of Wealth, Conspiracy, and Murder-for-Hire
Unravel the twisted web of the "Tennessee Affair," a chilling true crime saga that exposes the sinister side of wealth, conspiracy, and murder-for-hire. We explore the tumultuous journey of Erik Maund from Austin, Texas, whose entanglement with former lover Holly Williams spiraled into a violent plot that forever altered their lives and those around them. Discover how a simple threat of extortion turned deadly, leading to the tragic deaths of Holly and her boyfriend, William Lanway, and the explosive legal battles that have since ensued.
As we dissect the case, we uncover the shadowy involvement of security firms and ex-military operatives Bryon Brockway and Adam Carey, who complicated the already dangerous waters Eric Mond was treading. Instead of a lawful resolution, the story took a darker turn, with offers of violence overshadowing any legal paths. We delve into the high-stakes decisions and moral dilemmas faced by Mond, sparking questions about his choices amid the threats and the grim roles played by those who sought to protect him.
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Welcome all of you wine and true crime lovers. I'm Brandi and and I'm Chris. And this is Texas Wine and True Crime. Thank you for being here, friends, for this week's episode, the Tennessee Affair.
Speaker 2:Tonight we are sipping on a 2022 Rosé for the Texas Wine Collective, and it is a blend of 48% Muscat, 35% Viognier, 15% Riesling and 2% Mouvedre. I think I'm saying that right. I think so I know we always kind of confuse it. What were your thoughts on this wine, Brandon?
Speaker 1:I thought it was crisp and refreshing. I really enjoyed it. I really liked the hints of strawberry that I got from sipping on this one, but it's very good. I have really enjoyed Texas Wine Collective being our winery of the month this month.
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Speaker 1:Yes.
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Speaker 1:A Tennessee judge granted a motion for a new trial for three men convicted of killing a woman after her estranged boyfriend was making threats of exposing the affair she was having with. Eric mond mond, along with brian brockway and adam carey, were found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder for hire after holly williams and will William Landway were found dead in a car in Nashville in 2020. So we have the crime that actually takes place in Nashville, tennessee, but we have Eric Bond, who's actually living in Austin, texas. Now this judge has ruled that there was a mistake, chris, that caused certain things to not be admitted into evidence during the trial, and this has now caused a problem. The court clerk actually found out when members of the media they were asking questions about the trial exhibits after this trial was over. So, despite the motion for a new trial being granted, the new trials timeline. It's still up in the air.
Speaker 2:It's, unfortunately, a very lucky break for these gentlemen.
Speaker 1:Yes, and this is actually federal trial, so to be seen on what actually happens with this case. But this is a case of a love affair gone wrong. You have Eric Mond Mond, married, living in Austin, texas. He was actually a partner in the Mond Automotive Group. Now Chris, his grandfather, had started this company in 1957.
Speaker 2:Very prominent car dealership family correct.
Speaker 1:Yes, he was living in about an $8 million home off the Austin Country Club, golf course.
Speaker 2:Is that all?
Speaker 1:With, I think, 10 10 bathrooms to be specific, so these they were not hurting. This was a very established company in Austin. Again. His grandfather started in 1957, part of a family legacy. His father was also a part of the company and then passed down to son. But, chris, they actually sold this in 2022, after Eric's arrest. So little shame on the family, I'd say 10 bathrooms 10 bathrooms.
Speaker 2:We hate cleaning our two.
Speaker 1:One for every friend over, I suppose One for each day, and three for the next week, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, what a good rotation?
Speaker 1:So Eric had emailed Holly Williams before he traveled to Nashville, and this is where she lived. She was working as an escort and an esthetician at the time so he actually meets her when he's there to visit people.
Speaker 2:Escort like a lady of the night, Like a lady of the night.
Speaker 1:Yes, but he actually used a fake name when he met her. He didn't use, like, his real last name, mond and Williams, who so the boyfriend, the estranged boyfriend we're going to talk about? Mond and Williams actually had a previous relationship. So, chris, this is actually the second or third time they're going to hook up in Nashville. So he's going to Nashville from Austin. He wants to meet up.
Speaker 2:And paying her each time.
Speaker 1:I don't know about the payment, I can't really speak to that. I just know that they had had a previous encounter together.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. So it was an affair. Their initial encounter was um. He hired her not sure.
Speaker 1:I think they met in a bar in nashville or met in nashville somehow. I don't know exactly how they met or if he was paying her, but I do know that she was an escort in nashville. She even had an escort name. So now he possibly maybe visit that site and that's how he met her and that's why he gave the last name. I couldn't really find out exactly how these two met, but they had met enough once or twice before when he was in town, so this is now the third time I believe these two were actually going to meet up.
Speaker 1:There was a messages that police will eventually find in emails, and Mond had basically said like good day, good, you know, good morning, beautiful. Looking forward to seeing you later in Nashville. I'll meet you in the bar, like last time, you know. So I would say, chris, yes, this is probably, um you know, a relationship. Whether he was paying her or not, I don't know, this guy had lots of money because that's just kind of a whole different that's right transaction when you come into affairs, versus, um, just, you know, I don't know as far as feelings towards the person.
Speaker 1:You know um, I don't think there were. I don't think that the case, I don't think these two were in love. I mean, I think that she was like a pretty woman deal.
Speaker 1:Pretty much, I think. I think she enjoyed, maybe, being with him, and he did her, and he was out of town and this was a way to whatever he wanted to do while he you know, while he wasn't in Austin. But a month later, after this last interaction, on March 1st 2020, he starts receiving text messages from Lanway. Okay so Lanway, william Lanway is actually the estranged boyfriend of Holly Williams. Okay, so Lanway had apparently started to threaten Mond to exposed this relationship with Williams and then basically demanded money in exchange for keeping quiet.
Speaker 1:So you have the estranged boyfriend who, by the way we know, was living with Holly Williams at the time of this crime. She had actually called police, I believe, three times in just a few weeks before her murder, basically saying that he's trying to kill her and he's abusing her. So you know, she's not in a good relationship with this guy. So what happens is he finds the phone number off of Holly Williams' phone right, because, remember, he uses a fake name. Eric Mondes is a fake name. Well, he ends up finding out, tracing this phone number Chris back to the automotive company, and that's when he gets his real name yeah, and you know, I know we have talked about this too, and that's where I have trouble with this said being.
Speaker 2:I'll say trouble. But the extorting the money, the affair, the supposedly number I it, the more and more we talk about this, leads me to believe that she is, was somehow involved in this extortion attempt. To that there was no number found, that you know, obviously used a fake name.
Speaker 2:If they were hanging out, maybe it slipped out what he actually did for a living and, um, you know, yeah, knowing this and the boyfriend knowing they could build this guy out of some money true, yes, um, I will say I couldn't find in any of my research.
Speaker 1:Now, I'm sure the court documents the court, you know the actual reports might say something a little differently, but none of this of these messages were coming from her right, no, I know, but I'm saying was he an abusive domestic violence boyfriend and then real, you know, and then wants to cause some problems and maybe she told him I think he has money. I mean, we don't know right, we don't know the conversation, but we know that he found out he had money I'm not denying the abuse.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying that you know they're just because it came from his phone.
Speaker 2:Doesn't mean anything, because I think it makes it look more legitimate if he's getting the information from her well no, no, but portraying that he's somehow angered by this whole thing that's right it could have been just to set up from the get-go, because maybe at some point, even from the initial visit, knowing this guy's traveling here, I mean I I still find that the more likely scenario, because I mean what you're suggesting is. I mean we joke when we say the whole pretty woman thing but I mean like, was this a hooker with a heart?
Speaker 1:I mean they just fall in love and meet, or something like that Well, I mean, she didn't try to do this before when she met with him? Well, I know, and that's part of her job is an escort to accompany men with money, not to frame them right.
Speaker 2:This guy had money an $8 million home Okay, that's a lot of money, yeah, and I can probably guarantee that that wasn't her typical clientele, and so you never know.
Speaker 1:We don't know.
Speaker 2:That could have been the setup and kind of the rope-a-dope and and bringing him in a little bit closer to um kind of establish that relationship. You know, I don't know, I'm, I'm, I'm, yeah, just telling you the way I'm leaning on this. But yes, let's continue.
Speaker 1:Sorry to digress well, I mean, you're right, landway is the one sending the messages, but the phone number came from her phone right, no, so that's what I'm saying, you know did he do his own research and find out exactly who he was.
Speaker 2:That is what police are saying no, no, no, I'm saying it could have come from her phone yeah she could have just provided. I mean, we don't, she could just provide it from he, she could have just given it to him.
Speaker 1:I mean right you know what, what sort of uh that could be her story right or could have you know, I mean like not her story, but I mean I'm just saying like obviously around to tell that story, but that could have been kind of how they set it all up, lost control of the car and crashed. But they were actually killed because and really a larger plot of Maughan's effort to basically cover up this affair with Holly Williams.
Speaker 2:Well, and I'm sorry Because of the exposure, just to go back to that too, this woman's an escort.
Speaker 1:That's right. Why is he all of a sudden Part-time escort, part-time esthetician, sudden part-time escort, part-time part-time, part-time escort? But why?
Speaker 2:is he all the sudden upset because she's seeing this one guy, you know? I mean like she sees men on the side.
Speaker 1:We don't even know that. If that's the case, though, I know how do we know that this is the first time we don't?
Speaker 2:no, I know, I'm just you have a piece of shit.
Speaker 1:Who's going out with a woman, who meets men with money?
Speaker 2:and you have people who do bad things and he doesn't care about her, clearly no, I know so he's trying to ruffle the feathers maybe for her, maybe for eric mond, probably for both this could be also an um, a tandem of sorts, you know maybe this is something they do, but anyways, let's continue.
Speaker 1:All right. So, due to these threats that he had received from William Lanway, eric Mond decides to do something about this. So he's being blackmailed, right, he's being extorted. This guy wants $150,000 to keep his mouth shut or he's going to expose Eric Mond to his wife, to his business, to everyone in Austin. So he ends up getting in touch with someone who owns. Now this person lives in Austin, he owns a company formerly known as Speartip Enterprises and basically Chris. Their job is to respond to extortion demands. You have security professionals who do surveillance, who find out about the extortion, where it's coming from.
Speaker 2:Typically, too, if you're being extorted, this guy's trying to keep this quiet, obviously. So that's what's also too. I have to look more at this company. But even too, we're talking about this like they deal with extortion attempts, but that's right, legitimate extortion attempts. You probably would go to the authorities, and these guys are kind of working under the radar, so where they're going out of the country, stuff well, that was the plan no, I know, and that's what's so strange, that we have a company that deals with that.
Speaker 2:You know like yeah, because you're working outside the outside the law that's right you know, well, that was the whole plan.
Speaker 1:And this guy who ends up pleading guilty because he runs this company. He actually says that the idea was to have security and professionals basically surveillance these people that were trying to extort and then, once they had the information, that's when they take it to authorities and tell the authorities what's happening and then put it in their hands. But we know that that didn't actually happen. The day that Mond started receiving these threats is the day that he reached out to Glad Palais, who owned this company. As someone juggling a podcast, live shows at wineries and everything else life throws my way, staying sharp and focused is crucial. That's why I started using Magic Mind. Magic Mind is more than just your average productivity booster. It's a game changer. I used to rely on coffee. Maybe after three or four cups I'd start to get the jitters or crash when I needed to be at my best. With Magic Mind, I feel steady, clear and on top of my game all day long. The secret it's packed with natural nootropics, adaptogens and matcha, all working together to help me stay focused, stress less and power through my to-do list. Whether I'm recording episodes, researching cases or hosting a live show at a gorgeous Texas winery. Magic Mind gives me the mental clarity and energy to handle it all. It's not just about productivity, it's about showing up as the best version of myself for my audience and my team and my guests.
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Speaker 1:After Mond enlisted the aid of Pallet, he was connected, chris, to Brian Brockway and Adam Carey. So these two guys are working basically under, I'm going to say, in this sort of security group. They're both ex-military.
Speaker 2:They're operatives.
Speaker 1:They're operatives and so these guys are now all connected to what Eric Mond is trying to do. Now, eric Mond wanted the victims, like I said, they were going to put surveillance on them. Now, on March 12th, they put the plan into action. So, chris, these security professionals which are these two guys right who are now convicted murderers, brian Brockway and Adam Carey Brockway tells Pillay, why don't we just kill them, like now? We know who they are, what's happening, let's just go ahead and take care of this and get all of the money right. No need to go to police. So the guy, galad Palay, who was going to try to do the right thing by running this business and then giving the information to the authorities, he says he now looks back and completely regrets listening to these guys and not doing what he had intended to do, which was encourage Eric Maughan to go to police with this information. But, chris, you know what happens when they go to police it's still going to get out.
Speaker 1:I think Eric Maughan knew this.
Speaker 2:That's why I think that was never the intention and that's why I don't buy that whole story too, that he was talked into it. It seems just so fishy, because you don't need to hire a private team to go surveil criminals in another state. You would contact the Tennessee authorities. That's right. That so-and-so is trying to extort money out of me. This guy had a lot to lose by doing that, of course, but I just personally, that just sounds fishy.
Speaker 2:This guy's an ex-Massad agent, an ex-Israeli defense force soldier. Massad is equivalent to the CIA here in the United States. That is, an organization that targets people for termination. So that's kind of what they do, it's. It just seems very unlikely. I'm sure he's saying that now because his butt sitting in jail over all this. So I guess it is easy to you know, I also, and I have hindsight, of course but yeah, I almost. I just feel like to to send these people to another state. You know, this guy was trying to do this, do this quietly, keep this under the radar, and I mean I don't know, apparently, people with $8 million homes can find companies like this and this can happen all the time.
Speaker 2:But it doesn't lead to good things, for sure.
Speaker 1:That's right. And Brockway and Carey actually go to Nashville and start watching these people a few days before they're actually killed and start watching these people a few days before they're actually killed. Now they're armed and they confront Holly Williams and William Lanway in the parking lot of Holly Williams's apartment complex. So we know that because of her phone calls to police that he was actually living with her at the time. So they find both of them there and they immediately kill William Lanway. They shoot him multiple times at the apartment complex and then they kidnap Holly Williams and drive her with the body of William Landway in the car to a construction site in Nashville, chris. They murder her there and then they discard the bodies and leave them in the car and make it look like an accident.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why I wonder too, why was she a target? And then they discard the bodies and leave them in the car and make it look like an accident. Well, that's why I wonder too, why was she a target? You know what? And also, what sort of evidence did they have? Just because somebody calls you on the phone, say they know you're cheating on your wife? Whatever, they would have to have some evidence, right, videos, something text messages. I mean, is there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they had emails.
Speaker 2:They had emails from oh yeah, so, and this is once again why I think she played part in this, because you know, suddenly, now he he's able to get into her phone. He has her password for a computer, all these things.
Speaker 2:I think too this may have been why she became a target as well too, because I mean, maybe this guy you know, guy you know, maybe mon thought she was involved to some degree well, and you have to think he probably didn't trust her right, so he's probably not going to go to her and go.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe he did. Maybe he did send a message about like what's happening, what's going on. I just don't know if he would have even taken that chance any longer or did this guy present that we are extorting you too?
Speaker 2:You know who knows.
Speaker 1:So, according to the indictment, mond wired more than $750,000 to an account. Basically, that is for the money to kill these people. That's a lot of bread.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of money. All the cases we've done where you've had murder for hires and they're getting five or ten grand.
Speaker 1:I know $750,000. $750,000. It's a lot of money.
Speaker 2:That's too why I think you know, mr Pallad was that was the intention, because, even so, just a private investigator you're going to go look at somebody else. I mean, that's an ungodly amount of money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was probably getting that money for finding these two guys and actually taking care of them.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's what I mean, and you think about all the stories we've done, the people that have found people to go murder somebody and end up getting caught, and the measly amount of cash you know they're. Clearly these people are doing it right.
Speaker 1:I don't know well, the charges come down on them in december of 2021, um. The indictment followed in july of 2022. So brian brockway and adam curie were convicted on all charges. So they did go to trial and they were actually in their charges, Chris. They included the kidnapping resulting in death and conspiracy to commit kidnapping. So Mond was found not guilty of the kidnapping resulting in the death because he wasn't there Right Now, in December of 2022, Pallet pled guilty to three charges after he was indicted. All four men were charged in the connection to the kidnapping and murder of Williamson Landway, but he basically pled guilty, so he ended up not going to trial. Now, although Mond was acquitted of the kidnapping, his co-defendants were not Carrie and Brockway. All three still face a mandatory life sentence under the federal murder for hire resulting in death statute. So he didn't cross lines, but he hired someone that had to cross state lines and commit a crime. So because of that, he will also be held accountable for the federal murder for hire death statute which would then?
Speaker 1:give him life in prison.
Speaker 2:And what led police to just weed up.
Speaker 1:We just don't know, right um, I probably they, um I mean like they staged, like you know, staged to look like a wreck.
Speaker 2:What was the advantage as opposed to just taking these people and dumping them in a body of water? Um, you know I mean because would that have led back to Maude too, if they went through her laptop and all of her belongings?
Speaker 1:Oh, they did Like he was actually arrested coming back from a hunting trip, so they were definitely watching him and observing. I mean, they connected it pretty quickly, but I think they weren't able to actually make an arrest until later.
Speaker 2:That's just what you wonder. That must have been the reason for trying to establish that there was some sort of an accident and still so they would find the bodies. Versus. That's right, because clearly there had to be, because I mean, there had been a lot of evidence to eventually lead back to him in some form or fashion, if she disappeared and this other guy disappeared.
Speaker 1:Of course. Well, you have, oh yeah, because, well, when they find out who they are, then they'll get. So if they don't have cell phones, well, they'll subpoena the records to find out who they're communicating with. I mean, that's the first thing they do is who are these people talking to? Who doesn't like them? Who would want them dead? So they start finding all this and then they start finding the emails and then they start kind of just piecing this all together.
Speaker 1:But I think for this case, you know, I mean it was almost what three and a half years later, when the trial was over, right, when they had been convicted and it was over. So it was three and a half years, and then that indictment came. You know, we're talking about 12 to 14 months really trying to piece things together and then the arrest is made. So you know, I think they wanted to be sure I mean you had, by the way, these defendants left Texas. I mean one was found, I think, in the Carolinas, the other one was found in another state, so you know, and they had a rental car that they got rid of, the in nashville. So I think it really just took some piecing together, um on this, because when police came on the scene. That's exactly what they think they're looking at, obviously, until they realize these, these victims had gunshot wounds, right. So that's really when they're going.
Speaker 2:They're murdered, right, they got murdered for for what they paid, what he paid paid for that to lead back to him. These must have been some really dumb assassins.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are. Well, I wouldn't call them intelligent assassins. I would not even say that this was even assassin-like. You leave the bodies in open plain sight. No, but that's something you would do to stage that.
Speaker 2:I'm saying probably for his sake, that was the wise thing to do. And it just really interesting how it just because I mean even so, just because he had Well, digital footprint is a bitch and people think they can get rid of things, and they can't. So no, but these guys had no ties to this couple.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:At all. No, so they had. The only ties to their couple was any sort of communication that Mond had with both that's right, both of the deceased, that's right. So I mean you know, it's like you know, that's what's just so bizarre about this. Like I mean, that's a lot of money he could have attempted to pay.
Speaker 1:I think you're dealing with people who grand. I mean, you know, like in okay, but you have money, so you're not gonna go do that. No, I know.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying, like when you think about it like, um, just I don't know how it it's so you're saying because he paid a lot of money they should have gotten away with it of course yes, I would, I would think if it's $750,000,.
Speaker 1:you can get away with a murder, okay, but you're dealing with somebody who doesn't know how much money needs to be paid for someone to be killed and doesn't care because he's worried about his reputation.
Speaker 2:People pay a lot less and get away with these things, so that's just kind of.
Speaker 1:Well, to me you company, that's the irony.
Speaker 2:Well, we don't know if it's legitimate. We really don't know. Well.
Speaker 1:I mean it was considered a business in Austin. That doesn't mean anything I mean, but he wasn't like an assassin going around killing people.
Speaker 2:But these guys, could have been, you know I mean you think about all the contractors that were working in Iraq after the war. I mean basically those guys are mercenaries. There were private companies, private security firms, that were hiring people that were ex-military to go and secure things. All kinds of bad stuff happened with that and so, yeah, essentially you kind of are hiring mercenaries to go do this, and so when you think about that and just the, it's just kind of ironic that this guy went to this.
Speaker 1:Well, and I think it's like the whole rental car thing, and then they realized that they're using this app I think it was called like Pinger or Pinged or something so they could all like stay connected and where they were in Nashville, and so I think they probably, like you almost, wonder you almost wonder if he turned on them, though, to lead back to those two guys, because I still wonder.
Speaker 2:I know they rented a car there, yeah that's, but the cops would never know. People rent cars every day. Something had to have led them back to these two gentlemen, and you almost wonder. This guy rolled on the other defendants yeah, I'm sure he did.
Speaker 1:I mean, he took a plea deal. That's what I mean. I was trying to wrap my head around how they were able to even locate these oh yeah, no yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2:Because they did the right thing, because that's how a lot of people get caught. I mean, let's face it, people get ratted on all the time. I bet he ratted and that's how it happened. He probably said oh, I heard.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because he wasn't there to actually kill, right.
Speaker 2:I hired them to just go find them and surveil them, and and locate them so they could go give the information to you guys. I think that's the biggest bullshit story in the world, and so yeah. I think he's. He's probably the reason that you know, cause he wasn't going to go down for it by himself or try to say that he was not.
Speaker 2:You know, obviously he's complicit in it, but that that wasn't I thought to. To me, I think that's where the story comes from, as far as the whole murder thing. Well, they try to talk me into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and really Eric Mond. I think it really was the emails. They started following him in Austin, I think, within not a very long period of time after this, Probably more often than you know, because if you think about it did, uh.
Speaker 2:Our highland park black widow used to do this all the time that's right sleep with men and extort them for money that's right and there's movies about this. 52 pickup is a great one. That's elmore linder novel. Obviously it's fiction but happens all the time. You know this this boyfriend could have been a pimp of some sorts and they knew they had this guy on the hook, you know, and so maybe that's something they did. Listen, this is a crazy world we live in.
Speaker 1:I was just telling you about all these deadly affairs and all of these shows that are literally.
Speaker 2:This is not an affair. I still don't feel like this is an affair.
Speaker 1:I think this guy thought he was, but you have to think of Eric Mons' family Right. That would have been considered. This guy thought he was, but you have to think of Eric Mons family right. No, that's why that would have been considered an affair, that's why he was hiring an escort.
Speaker 2:though If you don't, if you, if you're going and having an affair, you're going to have an emotional attachment to this person. That's right that person will have an emotional attachment to you. This is different. This is something you're paying somebody for, sex. They're not supposed to be any sort of connection. We think, well, yeah, I'm just, I haven't confirmed that he was actually paying for anything.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm quite sure, I'm sure he was footing some bill, I'm pretty sure. Let's, let's be honest, but yeah, so, but these were, you know, they were convicted in a court of law. Whether she's an escort or not, chris, she doesn't get to have to die, okay? And so william lanway, you know, the nashville court said this was a heinous crime that was brought on by somebody with money and he thought he was smart enough to hire people to get rid of them.
Speaker 1:And we talk about this all the time 750 grand, Like why not just pay the 150? And you said because then they'll ask for another 150, and they'll ask for another 150. And you might be right, but isn't there a better way? Like that's where his mind went. So to me, Eric Mond, you're not dealing with somebody who's very intelligent, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:You're kind of dealing with somebody. I think he was told by this company that they would, oh, you pay that once, you'll pay it again, sure. And I'm not saying they deserve to die, and I'm also not saying, because she was an escort, their, their butt should be sitting in jail for trying to extort him. Sure he just couldn't have gone through that that's right because he's not smart enough to know that if I pay them once, I'll pay him again. They're gonna keep asking for money yeah that's just that's.
Speaker 2:You should have that common sense. And I guarantee somebody said you know I'm not putting words in this, uh, bled's mouth, but you know I mean yeah oh well, sir, if you do that, they're gonna come there.
Speaker 1:If they know you'll pay 150 once, you'll pay 150 again right, which is why I think he reached out to him in the first place. I'm not even sure he actually reached out to him to have them killed in the first place, right fact that he had 750 000000 petty cash that would go unnoticed.
Speaker 2:to transfer to another account means this guy had a shit ton of money, okay. I know A shit ton of money Do you don't have? I mean to have that kind of.
Speaker 1:Just the ability to move that kind of money, that kind of cash up just in the bank. I know we're talking about properties.
Speaker 2:That's right, because a lot of people are very wealthy that own properties and are not cash rich. That's right.
Speaker 1:They're rich in other things.
Speaker 2:Lots of people have that To be cash rich like that, that is somewhat unheard of. That's why I think too, somehow this couple knew that this guy had bread like this. Oh sure, no, he did. He realized who he was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's because remember he lied about who he was and so it wasn't until they that the boyfriend find out who this guy really is and says you know what, maybe no, I think he told, we're just gonna get. I mean, this is an easy way for us to get money right.
Speaker 2:I think he told her who he was and that's how the boyfriend found out. The boyfriend didn't just look at a facebook photo and figure out it's Eric Mondo.
Speaker 1:He traced the phone number back to the automotive group.
Speaker 2:And that's how we figure out what his real.
Speaker 1:He used his real first name. He just didn't use his real last name.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I think this girl's involved, I think she, they think they set the guy up, doesn't matter, she's deceased.
Speaker 1:So whether she was involved or not I don't know, but we know that she did have the affair. The boyfriend got the phone number, found out who this guy was. We know he was a terrible boyfriend because Holly Williams called the police multiple times before she was killed and said that this guy was causing problems for her too. I'm sure in the indictments and in the court records it will say whether Holly actually was a part of these conversations with Lanway. But we do know that William Lanway those messages were being sent to Eric from his phone, not Holly Williams' phone. So because of that, how much did she know? Was this guy just trying to kind of pull a fast one using her contacts Because maybe she's trying to run a business? I mean we just don't know right, because maybe she's trying to run a business. I mean we just don't know right, maybe you're right, maybe he was her pimp, maybe this guy was an abuser and she had gone back to him over and, over and over and he was controlling. I mean again, we're not even dealing. You know we're dealing with people who aren't really thinking any of this through on both sides and unfortunately it ends up. You know these.
Speaker 1:These two people were in their 30s that were killed. I mean, they, you know their whole lives ahead of them and it's just, it's just a sad deal. And you had a guy who had enough money and wanted to get rid of the problem because he would rather do that than have to face public scrutiny. I mean, think about this. He, his, the family, is highly respected in Austin and this company has been around since 1957. So I can only imagine his thought of shame having to go public with this. I mean, I'm sure he thought, chris, his life would be over.
Speaker 2:And people do extreme things right. What I know is that just because this guy finds his phone number on her phone, supposedly still don't believe that that there is no, even if he traced it back and finds out a car dealership he works at a car dealership or his name's on a car dealership you still don't know that person has that kind of money. Okay, well, I'm just saying it just takes a little Google research.
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't believe that. No, but they don't know Google doesn't know your bank accounts, and so somehow this guy knew that this guy had money. And the only way, in my opinion, of how he would know that is somehow she had to tell the boyfriend this guy's loaded. And that's maybe she did, and that's where I stand.
Speaker 1:Maybe she already knew that, though I mean, so that's why I mean he could have already known that before the first or second time they met this wasn't the first time it wasn't by just happenstance that this is the one guy that he just so happens to confront and extort.
Speaker 2:You know that. We know of that. It just so happens to be a uber wealthy guy.
Speaker 1:So yes, he didn't just figure that out on his own?
Speaker 2:well, I don't think well I also don't think she knew his true wealth. Oh, I don't know, why would a guy who's hiring an escort. Tell this woman everything about him because we, because you know what rich people like this guy probably like to brag about shit like that maybe who the f knows maybe guarantee he was trying to butter up all them biscuits with her and tell her the whole story.
Speaker 1:True.
Speaker 2:So I got money, I'll do this.
Speaker 1:We don't know what happened behind closed doors. I'll take you here, take you there keep my little side piece.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm just trying to paint my own little picture over here.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, these three have been, chris. There is a motion to give them all a new trial. We shall see what happens with these cases. Again, this happened in the Nashville court, so we'll be keeping an eye on this one. Until next time, friends, stay safe, have fun and cheers to next time.
Speaker 2:Cheers. Thank you, bye.