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From Firefighter to Mystery: The Michael Chambers Case
When 70-year-old Michael Chambers disappeared from his Quinlan, Texas workshop in March 2017, he left behind more questions than answers. After decades as a respected Dallas firefighter, Michael had settled into retirement enjoying his classic cars, woodcutting, and time with family. All that changed when his wife Becca returned home from work to find his truck in the driveway but no sign of her husband of 37 years.
Inside his locked workshop, the scene was puzzling – his wallet sat on the counter with cash still inside, but his driver's license was missing. Expensive tools remained untouched. Most disturbingly, drops of blood dotted the floor in what one expert would later describe as looking "too perfect" – almost staged. Michael's phone was gone, and when authorities tracked its final movements, they discovered a strange pattern: the device had traveled to the Two Mile Bridge over Lake Tawakoni twice that day, once at driving speed and later at the pace of a bicycle.
The investigation took unexpected turns as Michael's wife canceled his phone service just ten days after his disappearance, sold his truck, and initiated proceedings to have him declared legally dead within months. During polygraph questioning, she revealed a history of extramarital affairs, including one that had ended just five months earlier. While investigators cleared her of involvement, these actions raised eyebrows among Michael's children and community members.
For six long years, the case remained unsolved until human remains were discovered in 2022 near Highway 276, not far from the bridge where Michael's phone last pinged. An old bicycle was found nearby – adding another layer to the mystery, as family members insisted there had still been a bike at the house after his disappearance. Was this elaborately staged suicide by a man with bad knees who somehow bicycled miles to a nine-foot bridge? Or was it murder disguised as something else?
Join us as we examine the evidence, theories, and lingering questions in this Texas mystery that continues to divide a family and community. Subscribe to hear more cases where the line between truth and speculation remains tantalizingly blurred.
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Welcome all of you on into crime lovers I'm Brandy and I'm Chris and this is Texas wine and true crime lovers I'm Brandi.
Speaker 2:And I'm Chris.
Speaker 1:And this is Texas Wine and True Crime. Thank you for being here, friends, for this week's episode the Disappearance and Death of Michael Chambers. Chris, great to be back in the studio with you.
Speaker 2:It is great to be back in the studio with you too.
Speaker 1:It's great to be in the same house as you.
Speaker 2:No more virtual visits or Zoom meetings visits virtual or zoom meetings.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:It's like it was COVID.
Speaker 1:Um, we are back we are back in the studio. Um, we are in a new Mexico studio but we will be covering cases all over just like we do. Uh, still bringing our friends Texas wine. Maybe we're going to throw in some New Mexico wine. I've learned a lot about New Mexican grapes that some of our Texas winemakers get from here in the great state of New Mexico.
Speaker 2:So lots to come. There are quite a few wineries that we will be able to go.
Speaker 1:Explore.
Speaker 2:Explore.
Speaker 1:Learn more about New Mexico wine.
Speaker 2:Perhaps be purveyors of those wineries.
Speaker 1:Yes, but I know we've had a lot of people ask like is anything going to change? No, we're staying as we are, but you know just a different setting and you know different new things to come.
Speaker 2:Just have a New Mexico compound now, that's right. There's no ice raids here.
Speaker 1:No ice raids here.
Speaker 2:No National Guard deployed.
Speaker 1:But, speaking of our friends and all of our loved ones in Texas, we know people personally that have been affected by the floods, wineries that are down there, friends who had children at camp, that are down there, friends who had children at camp and this is a very difficult time for our friends dealing with such a tragedy. So our hearts go out to them. We are keeping you in our thoughts and our prayers.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And we're going to get through this because everybody holds strong in Texas.
Speaker 2:I would agree with that statement.
Speaker 1:Just a very difficult time. So we want to let everybody know that if you're affected, we're here and I'm praying for you guys. All right, chris, we've got a lot to cover in this case, so let's hop right in.
Speaker 2:We shall.
Speaker 1:So Michael Glenn Chambers, a retired Dallas firefighter, disappeared on March 10th 2017 from his home in Quinlan, texas. So at the time, he is a 70-year-old father, grandfather, husband, friend, someone that loved his family and spent time with him on a regular basis. He was a very involved father, grandfather. He was married at the time. It was his second marriage but, chris, they had been married for 37 years at the time of his death.
Speaker 2:Good amount of time.
Speaker 1:Good amount of time. He had been a Dallas firefighter for over three decades and was well-respected in the community. So he went into retirement in 2008. And at that time he spent most of his time with family, like you do after retirement. He has other passions he works on classic cars, he goes to car shows, he's got grandkids, he's got a wife. You know he's living a 70-year-old retirement life. He was a church deacon as well, at First Baptist Church, so he was a member of a car club like just an involved guy.
Speaker 2:That's the big church that's in downtown Dallas, correct? I don't know, I think so. I'm just I.
Speaker 1:Well, they live in Quinlan.
Speaker 2:Still could drive into Dallas for church. He was a Dallas firefighter.
Speaker 1:That's right. He was I don't know where his first Baptist. I think you actually might be right, the one I think I see on the TV yeah, they have like the program on Sunday.
Speaker 2:I think that is one.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Just a segue, sorry, so just a really involved guy in different aspects, enjoying that retirement life. And so it seems so. On that Friday morning in March, michael says goodbye to his wife. She leaves for work, he's preparing for his day what she had planned to spend on working on cars, doing different things around the house. He would. He would cut firewood. He had a little shop um, like you know, I would, it was like a little car mechanic shop area where he did a lot of work like I have now yeah, like you can pull a car in.
Speaker 1:Do you know work on. Like I said, he was a big car guy and so he has this. Uh, you know, I was looking at pictures of this and I thought you know what a great space for a guy who's retired, who loves working on cars, and you know.
Speaker 2:A boy can dream.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, like he has his own time. His wife is still currently working, so he has. You know, he has that time to be able to go into his space and do his passion and love. So that's where his plans that day, and later that morning his wife calls him and asks him to grab her some makeup at Walmart. Okay, later that evening.
Speaker 2:So this is about 1030, 11 o'clock. Would you have trusted me with?
Speaker 1:that task. It says. I read specifically she asked for mascara, which might be kind of easy to find. Like I was thinking about that a little bit, because any time you have a case like this, in my opinion, you kind of got to look for all of these things and, chris, I think that's a very good point is, I would not typically go and ask you to go and pick up certain things for me, one of those being makeup.
Speaker 2:Oh, I bet I could get you.
Speaker 1:But you yes, but I think, if I sent you in and said hey, you know what?
Speaker 1:Go to Maybelline, find me a mascara. I think you. I sent you in and said hey, you know what, go to Maybelline, find me a mascara. I think you could right. So I have no doubt that this guy could probably have done this for her and we know he was at the Walmart because we will eventually talk about this. But he's seen on video entering and leaving Walmart. So she makes this call to him. I'm going to say late morning about him going to the store. So not long after that he is seen on video entering and leaving Walmart.
Speaker 1:So later that evening after work hours she texts him as she's leaving her job. But he never responded to that text. So she arrives home and she sees the truck at the house but there's no sign of him. The house is quiet, the garage door is closed. I did read he would typically leave the garage door open for her when she would come home from work, but we know the garage door was actually closed that day. She calls his phone. It goes to voicemail. She's trying to reach him. She can't get a hold of him. She starts calling family members to see if they've actually heard from him. Now she remembered that michael had mentioned to her that he was gonna go and do those few things. Cut the firewood.
Speaker 2:That's a separate property, though.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like in the back of the property. Yeah, it's not like in the home he has, like a shop which is separate, like a detached garage I would kind of almost call it, but it was an actual shop where you could pull in a car.
Speaker 2:So it has some distance. Ten acres is a pretty good size plot yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, and also she didn't really feel like she could search that all herself. So she starts calling some neighbors and to see if they can help find him. But there is no sign of him. Now the garage shop that I mentioned it was actually locked. So Becca goes and gets the keys and then goes inside. Now, there were tools in there, they find his wallet in there, there are the keys, His keys are in there. And here's the thing. I go back to the shop being locked and the keys are inside.
Speaker 2:So I'm just going to say that. Well, I mean, somebody could have turned the lock.
Speaker 1:I don't know what kind of lock we're dealing with. She couldn't get in without a key Because we know she goes back to get a key.
Speaker 2:Like a regular bathroom door, you know just when you push it closed.
Speaker 1:You lock it behind you.
Speaker 2:Not a deadbolt.
Speaker 1:No, not a deadbolt.
Speaker 2:So you could lock it behind you. I, if it was that type we don't know.
Speaker 1:But right so we're. There's a couple of theories in this case. Right, so we're going to kind of talk about both of those theories. Um, but he could have locked it if he had the ability to lock behind him, close the door, leaving keys inside and then exiting and going. Or you had someone else with a key who locked the door after they left because it had to get locked somehow. So either he did it or someone else did it. Well, once they go in and they find these things, but they don't find him, she then notices that there's blood on the floor. So about an hour after they begin searching for him, they decide that this is enough, they've seen enough, they're going to go ahead and call 911 and report him missing. So deputies come on and they're going to take a look at the scene. They're going to be looking for any signs that Michael could have been a victim of a robbery. Remember, there is blood on the ground.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so that's concerning, because now they think was he hit over the head and then kidnapped? Because he's nowhere to be found?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just blood.
Speaker 1:It's just blood Right and brought somewhere else. Nothing, but nothing looked like okay. First of all, nothing was taken. There was money in the wallet, there were expensive tools, there were things of value in that shop. The one thing that was missing, though, chris, was his driver's license.
Speaker 2:It all just kind of laid out in one.
Speaker 1:It was just kind of on top of the you know where you would put your stuff coming into work on a car.
Speaker 2:You know, but also like an individual, like somebody emptying their pockets probably is way different than somebody who's you know killed somebody and then empties their pockets and throwing their stuff, taking their stuff out. You know what I mean. Like was it more organized, but I guess we don't really know.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think that some of it was found. I know the wallet was on the counter, like he had placed it there. The blood was found on the floor, I would say more of in a circular motion, so it looked like whatever had happened happened in this particular spot. But if you're going to rob, right, so let's just talk about robbery. If you're going to rob someone, you haven't taken anything of value but him, so he's the only thing that isn't there, besides also the driver's license and the cell phone Okay, so those two things that are actually missing. So when they get out there and the wallet's on the counter, police are noticing that the driver's license is gone. His family points out that his 12-gauge shotgun and all those expensive tools have been untouched. They are exactly where they would typically be. And and again, he had about a thousand dollars, I think, probably around eight, nine hundred a thousand dollars in his truck yeah, all those tools and, like I said, the gun, that's a lot of money, right.
Speaker 1:So we can. Sort of police are probably thinking you know, this probably was not a robbery, but who just wants to injure a man because they have blood on the floor. Now, they don't know whose blood it is at this time, but they see blood on the floor, right, and it's enough to at least get them concerned that something might have happened to him and they can't get a hold of him. Then I thought why take a driver's license? Why take a driver's license in your phone? You know, again, it's hard, because if you're somebody coming in to attack him and to take him and kidnap him, why are you taking his license? You're more likely as an individual to pull your license out and keep it on you.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, unless somebody thinks they can't identify the body, that makes it more difficult.
Speaker 1:But I mean, I don't know, but are you thinking about that, as you're knocking someone over the head and kidnapping them and trying to do this without anyone noticing on this property? I mean, are you that comfortable? And then you're just going to go pluck the license?
Speaker 2:Well, they're on the property of this person, so it's not like it's. I don't know. It isn't a odd thing to think.
Speaker 1:Right If we're saying that another individual was in there and responsible for this, right, yeah, okay. So Becca Chambers tells police that she had talked to her husband earlier in the day, asked him to go and pick up the makeup. So they want to start figuring out what he actually did that day. Uh, when we see last seen. So they start pulling surveillance footage and they see him come out of the walmart in quinlan. So they know he purchased the items because, chris, those items are actually found in the bag on the counter. So they know he actually went to the store. They know he bought the items because they find the purchase. So he is seeing he is.
Speaker 1:And this is really the last known sighting confirmed sighting of him was on that video exiting the Walmart. You see him get into his truck and then he's headed into the direction of home. So nothing seems out of the ordinary as he's leaving Walmart. So police are pulling his cell phone data at this point because they have no phone to try and track. You know where was he going, where could he have gone? Because right now they have blood, they have a missing man and you know they're trying to track him and figure out. What else did he do that day? And his phone actually pings near the two mile bridge over lake tuakiti.
Speaker 2:So investigators kind of close to quentlyn oh yeah.
Speaker 1:But here's the weird thing about this Once they kind of figure out how long, so they're watching the video. They figure out, based on cell phone ping and travel from point A, which would have been the home, they're theorizing that he had left the shop because there's blood on the ground and then ended up at two mile bridge over Lake Tawakonee. But, chris, they said it, the rate he would have been moving about 4.2 miles an hour. So they don't think he actually traveled this by car. They believed, based on the, the, the average speed and the timing, based on the phone ping, is walked that. No, on a bike. They figured he was on a bike. This made the most sense.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing you have a seven and, by the way, even though it's kind of close, chris, I really actually think this is about, I would say this is over 10 to 12 miles of a bike ride. This is a 70-year-old man who has bad knees, who is again 70 years old. Is he active? Sure, but to me it just doesn't make. This isn't making a whole lot of sense. So you but and for police, and they were able to determine that the last known activity occurred about 5.50 pm in the Lake Tawakoni area. So what they do know is he actually had gone that direction at some point by car that day, but then actually returned by bicycle. So there are multiple theories out there of these phone pings. Why would he then go? Is he scoping out the place where he is about to, you know, take his own life? Because this is, you know, this is what police think.
Speaker 2:This is a lot of suicide. Why the blood?
Speaker 1:All right, well, we're going to talk about that. I know I'm just pulling it over in my brain. This is blood of pump. It Suicide. Why the blood? All right, well, we're going to talk about that. I know, I'm just and it is his blood.
Speaker 1:By the way, it is his blood. They end up taking DNA off of that blood and it is his, but because of this ping on his cell phone by the lake, this leads investigators to look at the possibility that he may have taken his own life by jumping off the bridge. But again, he had bad knees and this is kind of met with skepticism from you know, his kids, other family members, people that knew him personally, and so this was remember. At this point we have no body, right. They're just trying to figure out where this man is. Yeah, so they run the DNA on the blood found in the workshop and it is confirmed to belong to him. Like I mentioned, they brought in a blood spatter expert who examined the crime scene and found that the direct round blood drops appeared to be too perfect as though someone drops like a dropper, okay, so let's talk about this for a minute, because you're my medical professional, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay. So let's I want to talk about just common sense mindset, because I, like you, know when, when we look at these cases and there's mystery behind them, I like to think what, not what I would do, but what are people most likely going to do in this particular mindset? Okay, so, let's say he did, he was going to take his life. Okay, why is he going to go through the effort to then draw his own blood, take his own blood, splatter, spatter it around his workshop, lock his door, take his ID to identify his body, because I'm going to assume that was part of the reason is why that license was taken. Um, are you worried about that? Are you worried about that?
Speaker 2:Well, I can tell you this that he was a Dallas firefighter. They're all paramedics, some people are grandfathered in, so he would have access. I mean, did you have to occasionally draw labs? If somebody's coming in on an ambulance, they might go ahead and get some different color tops drawn. So I mean, either have somebody do it or he knows I'd do it himself. I mean, I could draw my own blood.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm glad we're talking about this, because I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 2:I mean different vials have different types of preservatives in there to be able to keep it. I guess I mean don't get me lying and saying how long a specimen in a vial lasts, even with a preservative or whatever.
Speaker 1:Right, because the expert concluded, Chris, that the blood was staged to him to make it appear as though there had been a kidnapping or abduction. The expert also said that the bright red color of the blood could suggest the presence of an anticoagulant of the blood could suggest the presence of an anticoagulant, yeah, which would indicate that it was in some type of.
Speaker 2:I mean, because even you couldn't just go somewhere and have your blood drawn and expect them to give you the blood they just drew, that's right, I mean that just isn't going to happen.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:So how much volume of blood are we talking about?
Speaker 1:Well, the experts speculated that the blood had been preserved.
Speaker 2:I know, I'm just saying like how much blood was on the floor, because each like when they go draw one tube of blood it's probably about three milliliters, 3.5 it's a.
Speaker 2:You know I mean ranging there you probably don't remember the picture, but I had pictures that we looked through um, and I'll show that to you again, and it almost looks like a perfect kind of circle, like just the way you know it's dropped on the ground because and that's thing too, is that the average that's an easy thing for somebody in this scenario to obtain is, you know, like a, a blood draw kit and some vials, versus like going and having like a when you go donate blood and they take a big bag that has a preservative in there as well. But I mean, who the heck?
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's that's. That's that's People, people Theory one right yeah, medical people don't have that, yeah, so that's it. He takes his own. The second part of this is then it's if he's not responsible for the, for his own demise, and someone else is responsible, how do they then get his blood? If, if indeed, we say that it's stage because this is what the experts.
Speaker 2:I don't know even the presence of an anticoagulant You'd have to keep it fresh, like heparin. No, I mean it's not about keeping it fresh. I mean it may stay in a fridge. It has like heparin in there, but I don't know. Was this guy taking a blood thinner? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Just saying so.
Speaker 2:You're saying the anticoagulant could have been because you take a daily blood thinner, then that's, like some, why some people can't have surgeries that to hold it They'd have to take an alternative medication. Sometimes they'll check your clotting numbers. I mean, I don't know, but also to don't give me a line. I don't know if that's something you can test in your blood, though, to see if somebody's on that see if somebody's on that.
Speaker 1:I just know, like that's well, that he, the expert, was saying because of the bright red color of it, the how red it was when it was found.
Speaker 1:That is what made him suggest that there was a presence of an anti-coagulation that there's a presence well, and they speculated that it had been preserved in a vial and then intentionally spattered to suggest a crime scene. I mean, this is what the expert says. But you know, I think about this and I mean how many, how many crime scenes are these blood experts looking at? I mean, they they test blood they use if somebody has been hit over the head, they will reenact the actual motion to see if this person could cause this. And so I guess I'm thinking of like this is a very interesting theory to come out with as an expert. On your first shot, right, he didn't say, oh, this wasn't like an eventual thing. He kind of said this looks staged to me, really kind of out of the gate once I started looking, looking at the blood presence.
Speaker 2:And so the question remains I would have thought all of his belongings would have set that in motion, though too like what do you? Mean just having his belongings kind of sitting there on the on the table okay, explain what you mean, I know, I know what you're talking about, but what do you mean?
Speaker 1:like like stage?
Speaker 2:that everything would just kind of be lying and sitting right there, like. Like I said, if somebody was in there to like take him and abduct him, do they go to the trouble of like removing all of his items? I mean, and I mean just that. That to me is well.
Speaker 1:I think we can assume that he removed the items from his cell for having them in his hand.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't expect someone to take out his wallet and put it on the counter, yeah, but I mean it's just. Yeah, there's like a lot of little things.
Speaker 1:That's weird, yeah, well. And also, are you going to go through all this if you're about to go take your life? You know, I don't, I mean Well. I mean, I don't, I mean well.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know, I've started. You know, people take off their jewelry or whatever. Like you know, the you know, the mob movies when the guy knows he's about to go and we don't know what's going through their heads. They'll take off their rings and jewelry and put their wallet money in the drawer.
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Speaker 1:So on March 20th, just 10 days after her husband goes missing, becca made a change to her cell phone plan. She removes Justin's phone from the family plan and also suspended Michael's service. So Justin is the chamber's adopted son. Justin is the chamber's adopted son. Now the relationship between the three wasn't perfect, but it had been determined that Justin had an alibi during the disappearance and told authorities you know he might have not agreed with everything that his father said or wanted for you know his future or whatever those conversations.
Speaker 1:I know that there had been recent discussions over finances, which again is one of the reasons now when we talk about where this case is today that there could have been some financial issues going on in this family that maybe would have drove him to then jump off the bridge and take his life. But his adopted son had an alibi and he said that, even though they didn't agree on everything, he would never have hurt him. He would have never hurt his dad. Some family members raised questions about why his wife would cancel the service, giving that it could provide crucial evidence. Wife would cancel the service, giving that it could provide crucial evidence. But others said that she was making this change for financial reasons, and I always go back to Wouldn't they already have that evidence though?
Speaker 1:What do you?
Speaker 2:mean Any of the cell phone data. The evidence like haven't they already at this point 10?
Speaker 1:days, though I don't know. I I mean, I don't know if there's something that could probably be found on your phone. If this was you, I'm not certain if cutting the phone would be my first thought to save money well, if it has like especially if they can't find it and they think he has it on him or at least wherever he. You know, wherever he is, I don't know. It kind of sat weird with me, but there are people who understand that when you're of that age yeah, and you need money.
Speaker 1:You know that would be the only way to ping a tower that's right and so um, you know, I don't know, it's 10 days a little quick. Some people in the family thought it was, but you know she said she was doing it for financial reasons.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, I guess I don't know what their financial mean, being that he was a firefighter and had a pension.
Speaker 1:Yes, but I don't know which she went to collect, who doesn't live beyond their pensions? Then she stated and told a family member that she was going to sell Michael's truck. Shortly after the phone incident, which she did end up selling it, she told his daughter from the previous marriage that she wanted to obtain a temporary death certificate for him and was really just trying to assure the daughter that this was only temporary. But this really is to collect the pension and to start being able to collect money. You know it's, I know we know money's not everything, but sometimes maybe money is a lot to people. And again, we don't know how people react in this sort of way. You know, did she know more about their personal life that maybe eventually will come out? But you know was she? Did she know?
Speaker 2:Why would she have to ask the daughter?
Speaker 1:Well, because this is a grown adult woman. These are his kids and they want to know where their dad is. Right Because at this point, they don't have a body and they don't have any Since they are grown and out of the house.
Speaker 2:I guess I'm just wondering why she even has to consult with her.
Speaker 1:It's not that she has to. I think she just wanted to, because how suspicious, would it look, if you didn't I?
Speaker 2:think it looks, because I can't think of any reason you would need a temporary death certificate. I mean, if please somebody correct me, but I don't know why you'd need a temporary one. Either you're dead or you're not. So what do you do? You untemporary it if you find the body. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I've just never heard of that before, but it actually ended up being that, chris, she found out that her dad had been declared dead just two months after he disappeared. I mean, it became confirmed. No, no, no two months.
Speaker 2:I know I'm saying that, I'm just like. I guess my point is is that it's shady either way, like sure so why it's even shadier, though, if you don't tell anybody. But I just still think it's at that point too. That's when you. I would think the jig could be up for her pretty quickly. Right If she's doing the temporary death certificate, because I mean somebody might get nosy and reach out to the police about this too and just say, hey, this is my stuff.
Speaker 1:I'm sure it's been a. I mean, it's been a topic of conversation. It doesn't I mean people could go and read about this case.
Speaker 2:It's just a weird move, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 1:We can move on, oh the cell phone selling the truck, having him declared dead two months after he disappeared, when they haven't even found him yet. Because at this point, you know, I guess I'm thinking to myself, we're still looking for, like if I'm, if I'm the daughter, we're still looking for my dad. Nobody's found my dad, so he's missing. But now she's declaring him dead. How does she know he's dead? Why would she think he's dead? And so I think, as a, as a daughter, those are probably the thoughts that are running in her mind. But again, she was. You know, the family was a little shocked on how fast some of these things were moving.
Speaker 1:Most of the close family members have taken polygraphs and have passed. During that polygraph, which his wife did take, it was disclosed and opened that she had had multiple affairs during her marriage, during her marriage. This, you know, this is a long, this 30 something year marriage, but she had actually just been seeing another man and she had told police. It ended five months before he went missing. So this isn't like she had an affair 10 years into their marriage she was having affairs. 10 years into their marriage she was having affairs. I don't know how often, but we know that she admitted and that it was confirmed that she had been seeing someone several months before he went missing.
Speaker 1:So is the thought of your wife and she will tell police that she thinks he knew. He never said anything to her about it or confronted her about it, but she believed that he knew about, about the affair. You know, did he continuously put up with this for 30 something years and know this about his wife, and could that have driven him to the point to disappear? You know, I don't know. Police believe there were multiple things going on in this man's life that would have given them reason why he would have taken his life, finances, the affair not so great, of maybe a relationship in marriage. But again, she tells and she's open about this affair, um, but that she thought her husband knew and he just didn't say anything I don't know, you make it to 70 that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You're killing yourself over your wife cheating on you right and so, and so it wasn't one affair.
Speaker 2:Classic cars and go hit the road. I mean, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it wasn't one affair, right? This isn't like she had the affair five months and this was the only one. Why wouldn't he have done this 15 years ago if this would have been a constant issue?
Speaker 2:That's what sounds so odd.
Speaker 1:That Right it sounds so odd Issue that angle. But could it have played a part? We don't know. Police said that Becca had passed the other parts of the polygraph and based on those results they eventually rule her out as a suspect in his disappearance. They actually interview the man she had been seeing. He admitted to the fair but he had an alibi for the day of the disappearance, so they don't think he had actually anything to do with this either yeah, and the fact that she took a lot of polygraph, you know, is um she did I mean, is risky on her part too, you know, if she well and she admitted to the affairs.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think she knew she was gonna.
Speaker 2:If she lied, they were gonna know she lied well, I know, and I'm just saying too, like that's um, you know, I think people are they're going to just sit down and take a lie, to take her test or less likely to be guilty. I mean, because that's not something you just or your error again. I think you can pass it whether or not it's admissible, and core just the having it out there in the open that you failed one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean. Well, they're not admissible, but there is the fact that they took them.
Speaker 2:There's not that many arrogant people that just think they pass a polygraph. I mean, you know, think they pass a polygraph. I mean you know maybe world's dumbest criminals, but you know the um, you know that's somebody's gonna. If they're, if they're asking to do all that, they're gonna. If they're, if they're any inkling of being involved, they're gonna probably lawyer up.
Speaker 1:I would think that's just my opinion so, chris, it is rumored that his daughter got a message over facebook um a few months into her father's disappearance and a person claimed that they knew where the body was, that he had been murdered, and claimed that the wife and another man had killed him. She calls the police and they questioned the authenticity of this information because the person who put in this tip was a convicted felon. So were they trying to get something for themselves? I'm sure they investigated that tip. Nothing probably came much of it.
Speaker 1:A cell phone expert was brought in to learn more about his exact route on the day he went missing and then the forensics the forensic analysis based on that cell phone, showed that Michael had left his house that morning, drove through Quinlan to the two-mile bridge, went past the bridge and stopped for 10 to 15 minutes. Later that that day, around 2.30, michael went back to the same location and that's where the signal of the phone stopped. They believe the first time was by car. The second time would have been by bicycle. So did they think that he went to see where he was going to do this, where he was going to go and what he was going to do, and look at this and then decide to go back. But here's another thing that I just it's not a big bridge.
Speaker 1:Okay, but here's the thing about this too why, if you were going to take, if you were going to jump off a bridge, okay, but it's not a big hold on. Why are you going to ride a bike back? What is the point of that? Why would you just touch her? Why do you care who find like I get, I can't get past.
Speaker 2:I guess, leaving the car there. So, like I said, once again, all your belongings and therefore your family. But if you're going to jump off a bridge, it's not going to be the Lake Tawakoni Bridge. I mean, it's 15 feet high, I think.
Speaker 1:I don't know, and it's water. Are you going to?
Speaker 2:dive in the water. You don't know how to swim. Like you're gonna dive in the water, you don't know how to swim. I mean he tight bind your, tie your legs and hands, or a brick to your leg or something I don't know now.
Speaker 1:Now I will say that this movement is weird. The movement of the phone pinging to the two mile bridge is weird, but we don't have any witnesses and we don't have CC footage. Just because his cell phone is pinging, does it really mean he was the one doing this travel? I mean, do we? I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:They just don't know Somebody that had his phone.
Speaker 1:Right, so, but why are you going to drive Now? He stopped for 10 to 15 minutes. Was he like kind of scoping out the area where he was going to be, I mean, but then you go back by bike.
Speaker 2:But if something happened? He left Walmart and something immediately happened there.
Speaker 1:Well, no, they know he went home because the bag of stuff was found at the house. So, no, they don't think anything happened at Walmart. But could he have been followed? Sure, could he have gone into a shop and someone, but they didn't see anything coming out of the Walmart parking lot. That would really kind of make them think that, since the data showed that he was only traveling about 4.2 miles per hour, they did determine that Michael had to have been traveling on bicycle, which police were unable to locate. So here's the weird thing about this whole bike thing Um, um. But before we get into that, his body is found. Okay, his body is discovered with an old bicycle, not far with the bones are found, okay, at this point. So it was, I think November of 2022 is when the remains, the bones were found. In 2023. It was announced that the bones did match him, so they did find the body of Michael Chambers. So this is six years after he was reported missing.
Speaker 1:Now let's talk about the bikes, because here's another issue with the bike. I couldn't and maybe I know there's a lot of people familiar with this case, I know there are people who have lived in this area know this family. I need the mystery of the two bikes solved because, chris, a bike was found at the house, that there was an actual bike found at the house. So people, some people did not believe that the bike that was actually found near the bones would belong to him. But then. But so here's where things get a little muddy. Family says bike was at the house, couldn't be him. But police believe he was traveling by bike because of the rate of speed on the ping of the phone. So a little was there, another bike was. Did he get another bike?
Speaker 2:Maybe they killed him there and then somebody rode a bike from the. I mean, that's some planning ahead. They also searched this area.
Speaker 1:They had the phone pings. They didn't find a body early on, like that is another bizarre thing about this case for me. Six years later and they're found off Highway 276, not far from the bridge, and now you have bones in a bike, and so I know people can go missing and people search these areas and nothing is found. And then eventually they are found, but still a little bit of a mystery. And why Was it it his bike? Was he actually traveling by bike? They believe that he actually was, but they also know that there was actually a bike found in the garage.
Speaker 2:Um, 4.2 miles an hour is really slow he has bad knees.
Speaker 1:I don't know why he would. Why do you just want to make things harder on yourself? Your last moments of life, like that's what I'm. That's where my head goes. Am I gonna just get on a bike and then have to go and with bad knees and make this and and for what? What does it matter if they find my car? I'm not gonna be here anymore and I don't want to be here anymore.
Speaker 2:So what does it matter? Maybe he wanted to leave that thing, those things, for his family, so they did. There wasn't just a car.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean it just seems odd, doesn't really fit that profile of someone who would want to take their own life. But you never know.
Speaker 1:Well, and also, what about the money when it comes to taking your life, when it comes to insurance, when some policies will not pay out on certain things, when it involves suicide, there are different clauses with that. We have known people Listen, I've covered and read about cases that people fake their own, that they pretend that they were abducted and killed and really they took their life. But their family was able to get the insurance because they were considered missing and murdered, right, so they tried to just set it up that way. Was he done, trying to set it up for his family? You know, I don't know, I don't know. Very, very just strange movements that day, in my opinion. So the bridge, chris, it's actually nine feet high, so it's not tall at all.
Speaker 1:But then I think of I kind of know this area a little bit. You can probably envision it in your head. I know we've been there before.
Speaker 2:It's the equivalent of going over the lake of Lake Ray Hubbard. I mean, the bridge is exactly the same height, which is not very tall. It's like the boats are right underneath you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so you know why this bridge? Why was he traveling earlier there that day and then ended up there later and then eventually found?
Speaker 2:in that area. Quinlan is in close proximity to Tawakonee Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, chris, this case, you know, found in that area. Quinlan is in close proximity to like Tawakoni Right. So yeah, um, chris, this case is it's actually where um Ashley lived.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, right over there. So the family is still looking for answers. There's a lot of people there, um, if you want to do your own research on this case, you can. There are family members who believe that there are other people responsible for what happened to him. There's a lot of people that don't believe that he would have taken his life. He had grandkids, he had retired, he was a well-respected part of his community, he had been a Dallas firefighter for, you know, a long time, and so they, they are, they're just they. They just don't think he would have done this.
Speaker 1:And I know that that is hard when it comes to somebody. We love making a decision like that. There's a lot of unknown. There's a a lot of uncertainty. We don't really know what goes on in people's heads or behind closed doors. We don't know if, um, he actually had brought. It's hard for me to believe that a man had been married to someone for 30 something years and knew about affairs and never discussed it. It's a little odd to me. But hey, if he knew, if he, if, if there were nefarious things going on in his marriage and he was just tired of it.
Speaker 2:Who knows?
Speaker 1:yeah, maybe he was just tired of it and then wanted to make sure that the family was left with some money. Um, her actions very early on in his disappearance raised a lot of red flags for the family and wanting to understand why she was selling his things and kind of treating this case as if he wasn't coming back. So, you know, did she know more than she was letting on? You know, and unfortunately she's the first person they're going to look at and when these things come out it might make her look bad, but it doesn't make her a killer. And you know, and and and they had cleared her and she had taken a poly, and so, you know, was he dealing with more personal demons than people knew? And maybe he just was, you know, maybe he lived a good life and and we just ran out of shit and just yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean listen people people take their lives for a lot less reasons, and so I don't want to disregard the fact that somebody can. Just just because you as a family member don't think they could ever do, that Doesn't mean they would never do that, and unfortunately that just goes with having no answers and just grieving and agonizing over this.
Speaker 2:But they could just wake up and say I'm sick of making popcorn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sick of making popcorn. Yeah, our kids are on like a full popcorn diet, so but you know? But if the family strongly believes that this is not what happened to him and that this was a staged scene by someone else, to throw off, but once again I mean how much they dig into that.
Speaker 2:It's somebody's opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what if it wasn't staged? That's they say. What if it?
Speaker 2:wasn't staged. That's what I mean. What if it wasn't staged? What if it, just because somebody says, well it has the appearance it's bright, I mean okay.
Speaker 1:Well, if it wasn't staged, then he was hit over the head and taken.
Speaker 2:Right, well, I mean, that's what I'm saying the door after you don't know I don't know.
Speaker 1:You've hit someone over the head and you're getting them in a vehicle in the broad daylight and you're trying to get nobody to see somebody took the trouble to empty all their pockets and also pull a pull driver's license out of their wallet, so it doesn't mean somebody wouldn't stop and just lock the door so it would further delay somebody entering that, you know true, the garage.
Speaker 1:So so either this was just a very well-planned out suicide or murder. And you know, there is just a difference. There's just a very difference of opinion in this case. When it comes to local people, people who know about this case I mean again, he was missing for six years. I remember this. I mean I remember when he went missing and reading and listening about it. But where this case is now is they believe that he had taken his life and that there's really nothing pointing and that the whole thing was staged and that he had probably set this up himself, you know, in order to throw people off and think that he was taken. But really you know he wasn't. But I can tell you that the family is still looking for answers and you know, maybe in the future we may or may not know any more about this case. Thank you.